My Girl Life Podcast - Kelli Perry Interview

Maddie Taylor (00:03.867)
Okay, we are live. Test your mic, Kelli.

Kelli (00:07.414)
Yes?

Maddie Taylor (00:09.241)
Nice. All right. Well, welcome to the very first episode of my girl podcast. Mike take two. welcome everybody to the very first episode of my girl life podcast with the one and only Kelli Perry. How are you doing, Kelli?

Kelli (00:27.278)
I'm doing wonderful in you, Maddie.

Maddie Taylor (00:29.373)
I'm doing good. We're going to bump through this first one, see if we can get through it. Kelli is coming to us from Nashville, Tennessee. And we're very excited. There's a lot of people that can't wait to hear from you and we're going to dive right in. But I have a couple of announcements, a couple of things I want to go over real quick and then we'll get started. I just wanted to really quick go over the overall objectives for the podcast.

Kelli (00:39.575)
I am, yes I am.

Kelli (00:45.645)
you

Maddie Taylor (00:59.853)
Just so people know kind of where we're coming from and what our objectives are In these podcasts. We'll be talking to a wide variety of people who fall somewhere on the trans spectrum whether that be cross dressers fully transition trans women and everybody in between again It's truly a spectrum and we don't want to try and label everybody and everything because a lot of us cannot be labeled quite quite frankly

And I also want to respect everybody's boundaries in terms of what they want to share and what they don't want to share on this podcast. I've kind of broken this down into four basic categories that I'd like to dive into. And aside from these categories, we're going to take the conversation where it leads. The four areas are background, childhood and beyond. Second is psychology and emotional aspects, know, feelings about dressing

Kelli (01:42.795)
So.

Maddie Taylor (01:53.085)
Second persona and navigating life as a trans person. The third would be current lifestyle, like what's your daily life like, socializing, what's it like to manage those two personas. And then the future, where do you see this going if you have any visions for the future? Lastly, we've got two segments. The first one is called Girls Wanna Know. And I'll be asking Kelli questions that the community has sent

their requests for questions to be asked to Kelli and we're gonna do that in a segment called girls want to know and then we're gonna play a little game called true two truths and a lie and That will happen later in the episode. So you have to listen and the first person that emails me what they think The correct answer for the lie is will win a special prize to be announced later So Kelli's gonna give us two truths and one lie if you can guess what the lie

and be the first to email it to me at maddiesometimes at gmail .com. That's maddiesometimes at gmail .com. With that being said, let's get started, Kelli. You ready?

Kelli (03:00.391)
I'm ready. I'm ready girl.

Maddie Taylor (03:02.361)
All right, so let's talk about your background. Where did you grow

Kelli (03:07.498)
Well before we do that number one I really appreciate you asking me to do this I've been excited about it for quite some time ever since you asked me so I Considered a privilege that you've asked me to do this and I'm honored to be the first recipient of this my girl life

Maddie Taylor (03:24.859)
Well, I'm honored as well. That's great. Glad you feel that

Kelli (03:29.225)
So anyway, yeah, I grew up in California, born and raised in California, mostly central California, northern California area, Sacramento, Modesto area, was born in, I guess you could say Southern California, Bakersfield, back in the day. I'm not gonna tell anybody when that was, of course, but no, no, no, that'll, I could, maybe we could use that truth or lie on that one, right?

Maddie Taylor (03:47.901)
We're not going to identify that day that's privacy

Maddie Taylor (03:57.565)
Well there you go.

Kelli (03:58.601)
And I was raised by two solid parents and I have a brother and a sister that both remain in California. Love them very much. I very often visit them and we enjoy each other. all get along great and they got good. okay.

Maddie Taylor (04:17.581)
I have a question for you on that. I have a question for you. Who all in your family knows about Kelli?

Kelli (04:26.236)
Nobody knows about Kelli that I'm aware of. Yeah, so I think my sister has an inkling, but she doesn't say much. She doesn't really rock the boat a lot in her life and others' lives. So, no, no. And so I, that's what I know at this point. Now, it may

Maddie Taylor (04:30.162)
Okay.

Maddie Taylor (04:42.791)
She's not confrontational, yeah.

Maddie Taylor (04:49.831)
And you have no desire to find out if she knows or doesn't know.

Kelli (04:54.915)
I thought about asking her, but every time I do that, then she pulled a fast one, so to speak, that, eh, maybe I'm not willing to do that yet. That's trust level, yes, yes, the trust level just isn't quite there. So I choose not to.

Maddie Taylor (05:06.306)
the trust level goes down because of something else.

Maddie Taylor (05:15.103)
I hear you. I've built up my confidence and built up, what's the word I'm looking for? The nerve to tell my kids and I backed out a couple of times just because of other circumstances that happened right before it. And I just didn't feel the confidence to do

Kelli (05:37.9)
It would be devastating to me for any of my family members, including my son, to alienate me because of this. So I choose, and that's just me, that's just me, that I choose not to reveal my second persona to them at this point. Now, someday, maybe in the future, but at this point, no.

Maddie Taylor (05:46.148)
Absolutely.

Maddie Taylor (05:57.201)
So it is in the back of your mind and you do think about it on occasion. Okay. Wow.

Kelli (06:00.582)
Every time I'm with them. Every time I'm with them. Yeah. yeah. Yeah, you know, and I and I look for the right time, but it just hasn't come down the pike, if you know what mean.

Maddie Taylor (06:11.313)
Yeah, well, I can relate to that. Certainly. Are you currently in a relationship?

Kelli (06:17.557)
I am not. am not. I date every now and then, but I love going out with the girls, as you know. And so it's a lot more fun as a girl as opposed to a boy. You get so much more acceptance as a girl as opposed to a boy. It is. mean, people, it's just amazing how they open up. It really is, truly is amazing. As a matter of fact, I'll share a quick story. I met

Maddie Taylor (06:33.615)
Just a little bit more fun, I would say.

Maddie Taylor (06:45.17)
Okay.

Kelli (06:47.128)
person named Brooke Yarnell in Nashville. One time I was at the Sinatra's Lounge downtown Nashville and there was a seat next to me and she came up to me and hey, is this seat taken? Can I sit here? I said, of course, girl, you can sit there, absolutely. So she sat down, we got chit chatting and of course this question rises that, hey, where are from? And so I asked her that and she said, Kelli, you probably never heard of

place called Elk Grove, California, but that's where I was born and raised. said, girl, I moved from Elk Grove, California when I came to Tennessee back in 21. my goodness. I mean, she was just amazing. So was I. ever since then, have just been... No, because we were talking about, yeah, we were talking about high schools in Elk Grove, certain places to visit and, you know,

Maddie Taylor (07:18.89)
Maddie Taylor (07:25.095)
Such a small

Maddie Taylor (07:31.537)
Did she think you were maybe lying, as kind of a lie?

Kelli (07:41.837)
the department stores and all this. So we kind of validated each other, right? A little bit. So ever since then, we've been really good friends, really good friends. Matter of fact, we're having lunch next week. She is a singer here on Broadway in Nashville. And I try to, I try to get as many shows as possible. And so, but she's, she's just a dear friend. And I've been introduced to her to so many of my friends that I've made here in Nashville. So it's been, it's been a good, good.

Maddie Taylor (07:56.422)
Have fun.

Kelli (08:11.061)
connection there, so to speak.

Maddie Taylor (08:12.261)
I love that story and it doesn't surprise me that you made that connection and made that good friendship. That's who you are. As far as work, do you work remotely? Do you have to go into an office? Have you ever gone in dressed? Have you worked to dress?

Kelli (08:17.236)
Yeah, yeah, so, yeah.

Kelli (08:25.91)
Fortunately, I Yeah, I do work remotely and And of course, I got to do yoga every morning about an hour every morning and I remain in my yoga outfit for most of the day It feels good and it's just part of me and I get energized by doing it so that's what I do for work for a transportation company in California actually and I do all the

the sales for them and it works out very, very

Maddie Taylor (08:58.865)
Nice. Now, are you, I think a lot of us know the answer to this, but are you part -time or full -time in terms of dressing?

Kelli (09:07.022)
well, I am, I am, I guess you could say fluid, but I guess a part -time slash full -time, but mostly part -time, you know, I just, when I go out, I'm feeling more and more comfortable as Kelli, even going to the store, Walmart or the grocery store or wherever. And so I've done that more and more as I, as I moved, you know, moved out here and progressed.

Maddie Taylor (09:13.02)
Mm -hmm.

Maddie Taylor (09:30.417)
And it sounds like you're dressing at home alone sometimes because it just feels right, natural, feels good, puts you in a certain mood. Would that be accurate?

Kelli (09:38.226)
Absolutely. That's exactly correct. Exactly correct. And you know, when I do go out, of course, you know, I get, I spend a considerable amount of time getting myself ready, as you know. And so we have a little bit of time, but you know, we got it perfect. Yeah, that's right. Yeah.

Maddie Taylor (09:51.721)
just a little bit of time. Since you brought that up, I just have to address a rumor and you can verify or not. Rumor on the street has it that it takes Kelli Perry four hours to get ready. True or false?

Kelli (10:08.576)
Now that I can say it's true. Sometimes it's shorter, sometimes it's longer. But I tell, I allow four hours for the process to take place. It's fun.

Maddie Taylor (10:23.047)
Cause you know how stories kind of, know, rumors kind of spread and, you know, and tales grow taller and two and a half hours turns into three and then four and then five and takes Kelli a day and a half to get ready. No. Well, I tell you what, and I think I can speak for a lot of the community that whatever you're doing, however long it takes, it's amazing. you have

Kelli (10:26.695)
Exactly, exactly, exactly right. Right? Yeah.

Kelli (10:46.809)
wow. Thank you.

Maddie Taylor (10:48.643)
You have been somebody I've looked up to and gotten plenty of tips and you've been inspiring and it's challenging to try and keep up with you in terms of always trying to improve your look and the presentation. And I, you know, I know I'm not the only one that feels that

Kelli (11:07.428)
Well, thank you, sweetheart I appreciate that. And you know, I get inspired and invigorated by not only seeing girls progress along, but also the new girls come in and they start learning from other people, other girls on what to do and how to do it. And that is really inspiring to me because if you can inspire one person in this world, my goodness, that is worth its weight in gold, I think.

Maddie Taylor (11:21.618)
Yep.

Maddie Taylor (11:32.995)
it's a great, it's a great feeling. remember, wild side started the little sister program. I don't know if they keep, if they've continued doing it, I think they, they might've stopped. And I don't know that TGR has ever done that. Have we ever done that at TGR?

Kelli (11:39.662)
huh.

Kelli (11:47.998)
Not really, we, right, right, we purposely keep it small just because we want people to connect one -on -one during the event or two -on, you know, whatever. We want to keep it small. want to, yeah, we want to make sure we see the same people, you know, at different events and

Maddie Taylor (11:53.629)
Not formally, it happens naturally.

Maddie Taylor (12:06.673)
Yep, one of my favorite parts about

Kelli (12:15.569)
passing and so forth and develop relationships and it's funny she'd say that because I I would like to start a program to where maybe two girls or four girls go out to lunch or something that don't know each other and so Yeah, yeah exactly

Maddie Taylor (12:30.311)
You mean while they're at the event? okay. Yeah, that's an interesting idea to pair, you know, get even smaller groups, six, you know, or whatever, and get them to do something during the day to bond. That's a great idea. And we'll get into the events and specifically TGR, transgender, Rocktober. And so yeah, I wanna get a little more into that.

Kelli (12:41.516)
huh.

Kelli (12:53.936)
Yeah, yeah, yep, we will.

Maddie Taylor (13:00.047)
Let's talk about when you started dressing. You remember what age and where?

Kelli (13:04.859)
absolutely I do. I was eight years old. I was eight years old and I was looking at my sister's swimwear one day and I'm thinking, I wonder how that would look good on me. So that was it. Then I pretty much graduated to my mom's bras and pantyhose and panties

Maddie Taylor (13:24.367)
I love it. I love

Kelli (13:31.899)
Of course, they did all this in secret in the bathroom or wherever I could before.

Maddie Taylor (13:36.303)
Where was your sister and your mom? Were they out of the house completely and you were just home from school alone or something?

Kelli (13:44.055)
Yeah, my sister had a school year that was a little bit, the days were a little bit longer. And then my mom, of course, went out shopping from time to time. And so I'd get home, I'd ride my bike home and walk in and there'd be nobody in the house. I'd go, yes. Absolutely. Almost every day. Almost every day. Yeah. Yeah. So I walk in and the house is empty. go, yes. Yes. No people.

Maddie Taylor (14:00.059)
Were you thinking about it all the way home? Like, I hope they're not home, I hope they're not home. Yeah, love

Kelli (14:14.244)
So then, but the downside of that is, is that you don't know when somebody's gonna surprisingly come home. Like my dad came home one time, early, early, earlier. And I was in full regalia. I was in sister's boots, her, you know, her top, mean, every bra, everything. And so I have never changed so fast in my life before he came in. Yeah. I think so, I think so.

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Maddie Taylor (14:37.543)
my god, that's hilarious. We've all been there. I think most of us, not all of us have been there. Is there any one article of clothing that was your favorite or that you kind of favored?

Kelli (14:51.169)
Yeah, at that time with the lingerie, of course, and and

Maddie Taylor (14:55.069)
Okay, was it the feel of it or the look of it or

Kelli (14:58.891)
It was more the look. Well, I think both are more the look. yeah, yeah, yeah.

Maddie Taylor (15:02.436)
I remember the feel. I remember the feel of the nylons and I think my mom, I'm going to date myself, but she had a girdle. She had girdles and they fit really tight. And that tightness around your hips and waist and I can't explain it. It's kind like the first time you shaved your legs and felt them smooth. I mean, there's nothing like

Kelli (15:11.468)
Okay.

Mm -hmm.

Kelli (15:22.946)
yeah, I got that. Right.

I got that feeling with pantyhose too around the waist, around the legs. then of course you put the heels on and you're just in orbit. It's in orbit, yeah, it's in orbit. Exactly, exactly. To this day I wear heels. I do not wear flats. To this day I just wear all heels.

Maddie Taylor (15:39.114)
now it's all over. There's no turning back from the heels.

Maddie Taylor (15:50.013)
I don't know how you do it. I've learned how to wear tennis shoes now. I like wearing tennis shoes and flops, but I wear heels in fair share of the time. But it depends on how much you go out because your feet take a beating.

Kelli (16:06.191)
Well, there yeah, there is a there is a there is a story there though I'll share now about about when I was born and how I was born and of course, you know I was a I was a middle child of three people three three child two children, know I got an older brother and younger sister so of course, know the my brother came along and and my dad was wow This is great. It's great. We got it. I got a son now blah blah blah. So let's shoot for a daughter and

Maddie Taylor (16:15.792)
Okay, please.

Kelli (16:34.369)
My mom got pregnant again. And back in that day, they didn't know the sex of the baby until the baby came out of the womb, right? So, my mom went into labor and I came out and my dad was there and he goes, shit, I wanted a girl. I'm going back to work. to this day, he said that. No, but you know what? That was.

Maddie Taylor (16:56.059)
He did not say that. He did not say that, for reals.

Kelli (17:02.74)
That was surreal because little did he know he had his girl.

I don't know, but I think it was kind of funny that, no, that's okay. I thought it was kind of funny that he said, I wanted a girl so bad, right? He got a good girl. He got his girl. That's me, you know?

Maddie Taylor (17:08.925)
Do you think it caused it? I'm totally kidding. I'm totally kidding.

Maddie Taylor (17:20.367)
Yeah!

You know what? That reminds me of a quick story. I used to get teased for having girl legs. The boys would say you have girl legs and would make me cry and upset me. And now I'm look who's laughing now, boys. If you can't beat them, join them, right? That's right. All right, let's get into some interesting stuff here. Do you know why? And I guess it gets into the psychology and

Kelli (17:38.794)
Yeah That's right exactly

Maddie Taylor (17:53.081)
emotional part of it. Do you know why you dress or do you want to

Kelli (18:00.777)
That is a really good question which has been posed to me before and I don't really have a solid answer. It's just part of my DNA that I guess I'm hardwired for this and I can't change it and I love it so much. It gives me fulfillment. It gives me a degree of fulfillment in my life

Maddie Taylor (18:02.543)
It is, it's a tough

Maddie Taylor (18:25.435)
What adjective comes to mind when you think of being dressed? What's the first adjective that comes to mind?

Kelli (18:34.708)
that's a good question. The first adjective that comes to mind when I get dressed, beautiful, fulfilling, pretty, sexy, you know, all those combined, I think.

Maddie Taylor (18:45.927)
Okay.

Maddie Taylor (18:52.401)
I would say mine, the first word that comes to mind is soothing.

Kelli (18:57.103)
good one.

Maddie Taylor (18:58.203)
And that's what it's one of many adjectives. and I think, you could probably relate as you, as you grow into, your girl life, it, reasons you do it, not, not change, but certain things keep adding to why you do it. Meaning when I first started, it was just purely that soothing feeling and probably can't even explain it. And then as I got older,

it kind of turned me on to dress and that was in private. And then when you started going out in public, now, one of the reasons I would dress is because I want to see my friends and I want to have, an experience, you know, life as a woman out in public. And it's more fun. Like you, like you said, and so the reasons don't necessarily that the first reason doesn't go away, but the reasons why I dress.

Kelli (19:37.147)
Okay.

Maddie Taylor (19:55.581)
have grown to now I have friends and places to go and I have people relying on me and you like you you haven't events you've put together and you have groups right so you're dressing for more than just that original few reasons

Kelli (20:09.522)
Right. you could not have said it better. mean, I really enjoy the people I go out with and they look forward to going out with me and they call me the little spark plug of the group. They have two or three different groups that said that. more so, more so I like the fact that, you know, it seemed like we all complete the group and so we can relate one to another. We talk, we talk deep stuff, deep girl stuff, one to another

Maddie Taylor (20:24.092)
Kelli (20:38.459)
that it worth it waiting cold my opinion you know

Maddie Taylor (20:40.881)
Well, and speaking of that, think women really like to have conversations with us because as much as we dress and as good as some of us are at the presentation, you still have a guy brain. Depending, know, some people maybe have transitioned emotionally more than others, but you know, for me, I still have a guy brain. And I think for you, same thing. So they get

Kelli (20:58.118)
yeah. Yep.

Maddie Taylor (21:11.065)
a mixed perspective and they get some insight from a person they trust and it's not a guy trying to hit on them or tell them what they want to hear. And so they get insight into the male world and we get insight into the female world because my genetic female friends have been a great experience for me learning wise and support. But I've learned a lot about women. Maddie has learned a lot about women. I wish I knew a long time.

Kelli (21:34.705)
yes.

Kelli (21:38.474)
One of my dear friends out here, name is Monica, I asked her one night, I said, why hang out with us? Why do you hang out with girls like me? She said, Kelli, two reasons, you're not a threat and you're fun. You

Maddie Taylor (21:53.245)
Those are, that's a great, that is a great thing you just said. I love it. It is so true.

Kelli (21:59.297)
Yeah, and that's so true. Right. We're not trying to pick up on them. We just want to have fun.

Maddie Taylor (22:05.979)
And that allows us to have experiences we would never ever have in boy mode. And they're deep and they're rewarding and the deepest relationships. I have some great friends from way back, really good friends from college and high school, but the deepest relationships I've had are through Maddie.

Kelli (22:11.619)
That's right. Take that.

yeah, yeah, me too. It's exactly, exactly

Maddie Taylor (22:33.617)
And it's a gift. I look at that as like a gift of life.

Kelli (22:38.132)
It is it is you know friends come and go but the ones that truly inspire each other will remain and They'll linger they'll endure over time. They'll get better

Maddie Taylor (22:46.683)
And I've never, I don't know about you, but I've never experienced so much love. I thought I knew what being loved was like, because I felt loved before. I've never felt unloved. And, but it's a whole new level of being loved. And that was completely unexpected. If you to ask me, let me ask you this question. If you to ask young Kelli, when you were dressing, you know, alone and not going

Kelli (22:57.548)
Mm -hmm.

Kelli (23:07.083)
Thank you.

Maddie Taylor (23:15.471)
If you were to continue to do this and you were to go out in public on a semi -regular basis, what would that experience be like? What would you have written

Kelli (23:25.602)
Back in the day, going out in public.

Maddie Taylor (23:27.645)
Yeah, when you first started out, if you thought, if I went in public, like I was, you your, your, your presentation's probably not like what it is now. And you didn't have friends or whatever. Like for me, I would have thought it'd be a disaster and that I would be embarrassed and it would be humiliating to go out in public and be seen as I was presenting a long time

Kelli (23:47.208)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But what and with anything else the more you do it the more confidence you will build and you know when I first started going out I was scared to death. I mean I was shaking even just walking out the motel room walking down up and down the high the aisle and going back in the room. I was shaking. I was nervous. I was sweating. It was just crazy, but I figured

Maddie Taylor (23:55.761)
Mm -hmm.

Maddie Taylor (24:01.819)
Mm -hmm

Maddie Taylor (24:13.827)
I would put my girl clothes on and then put my boy clothes over my girl clothes and put a hat on because I had my makeup. Wig would be in a backpack with a couple other things. And I would go down pretty much in boy mode and try to hide my face with my cap, go down the elevator, get in the car, and then finish up in the car. well, in the very beginning, I would completely get dressed in the car from scratch in some parking lot.

Kelli (24:41.159)
Sure.

Maddie Taylor (24:43.617)
it was wild side. was my first wild side that I just became, I just found the courage to just walk out of that room fully dressed. And yes, I was nervous that somebody would get on the elevator and ride down with me, but that got better and better and better. And it was wild side and like TGR. That's why I say it's life changing for, for a lot of girls. I've heard that from a lot of people and including me that it's a, it's a game changer. gives you confidence.

Kelli (24:53.579)
Absolutely. By yourself as well as you know that you have a support group around

Maddie Taylor (25:13.551)
even when you're by yourself. Would you agree?

Kelli (25:23.187)
that will not be judgmental, that will take you in, put their arm around you, say, honey, let's go. Let's go. And I've had more than, in my younger days, I've had more than one person do that and I'll never forget it. And that's the beauty of what the community has to offer is, know, camaraderie, companionship, we all love each other, we give each other hugs. Exactly. Yeah.

Maddie Taylor (25:44.733)
You're not the only one that thinks this way, acts this way.

Kelli (25:50.942)
Back in the day before the internet, you thought you were the only weirdo in the world that dressed as a woman, right?

Maddie Taylor (25:56.057)
Yep. How about some other reasons? How about artistic and creativity expression? I'm a songwriter and I've been putting together videos and editing them of the kids as they grow up and my family putting music to them and I produced records. And so I don't have that anymore necessarily. But Maddie is my artistic and creativity expression, you know, constantly working on the presentation and improving.

Kelli (26:09.353)
Absolutely. Yeah, I try to be creative.

Maddie Taylor (26:25.393)
bit by bit. And so would that be one of the reasons for you? Do you feel like you get that creativeness expression through Kelli?

Kelli (26:38.33)
as much as possible and when I'm realizing that I'm stagnant, I go observing. I go observing in the mall, watching women walk, women are listening to them talk, their eye makeup, everything, all aspects of pure, unadulterated femininity. And so

Maddie Taylor (26:53.766)
Yep.

Maddie Taylor (26:59.237)
Yep. Do you, do you analyze your pictures, Kelli? you're, you're, you're look at your pictures that are taken when we're out and look at your makeup and what you're wearing and the wig and, and how, know, how the look, how the presentation is and reviewing the pictures and improving.

Kelli (27:16.51)
Yeah, it all changes. Yeah, I mean, I can always see some improvement in how I pose, how I smile, all those things. Just really combine to make a more confident presentation. So with confidence, bring courage. And with courage, you can step out and enjoy yourself the way you truly feel you

Maddie Taylor (27:24.273)
Mm -hmm.

Maddie Taylor (27:39.536)
I will say the one compliment I've gotten the most, Maddie's gotten the most, is people saying, love your confidence. Of all the things they could say, was, I love your confidence. that was, I really appreciated that. And I think, you know, when you have that confidence, then people are attracted to you and want to communicate with you.

Kelli (27:59.81)
my god, yeah.

Kelli (28:03.929)
And it's confidence brings energy. Quick story at a TGR many years ago, Davina and four or five of us went to the foundation, no, the, what's that casino that the foundation.

Maddie Taylor (28:20.061)
The foundation room, the Mandalay Bay.

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Kelli (28:23.138)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Mandalay Bay. Okay, so we went there. We, you know, we met some girls and we went downstairs to, there was a dance floor. We went down there to dance and whatnot. So we were getting our table. And so all of a sudden we go, we ordered drinks through the waitress there. And so about five minutes later, she brings us all drinks and we get our money out to pay. And she says, no, it's been taken care of by that gentleman over there.

And this gentleman about three tables over, he was with his wife or girlfriend or whatever. So we nodded and thanked him from afar. But a couple of minutes later, I couldn't resist. I had to go over and just tell him, hey, thank you so much for this. he goes, he goes, he goes, he goes, I, I admire you people for going out like this. I tell you, I could never ever have, he used the term balls.

Maddie Taylor (29:07.525)
Of course you did.

Kelli (29:22.352)
to go out and do this like you people have done, not people, but that group. And so he

Maddie Taylor (29:28.411)
Well, it does take balls to cross dress,

Kelli (29:31.813)
Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. So I think now it's okay. Going back to your original your original thought though. I mean, the confidence brings energy and people like to be around energetic people because that energizes them. And you've seen me out. mean, people say, Kelli, how do you do it? mean, I said, said,

Maddie Taylor (29:34.095)
Otherwise, it wouldn't be cross dressing OK, I just have to throw that in. Sorry.

Maddie Taylor (29:53.234)
Yes.

Kelli (29:59.062)
I said, I don't know how I do it. just do it on the Energizer bunny, you know, just go out, you know, day after day. I just love it because it's my expression.

Maddie Taylor (30:06.565)
Well, how different is Kelli in a comfortable social setting, say at a happy hour or one of the bars you go to, versus your boy mode with some friends in a similar environment? What's the contrast there? What's the difference?

Kelli (30:26.474)
The contrast is I'm quiet. I'm reserved. yeah, I mean this is why

Maddie Taylor (30:30.293)
Okay, I I was just gonna say one of the reasons people dress I I put maybe only it's the only way they can socialize not completely but you know what I mean they're more introverted and they become extroverted when they're

Kelli (30:42.443)
Right. Yeah, well, that's a lot. There's a lot of truth that with me is that I do become more of an extrovert when I address. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's like it, you know,

Maddie Taylor (30:51.553)
I didn't know that about you. I didn't know that about you. Interesting. Well, I'm a loud mouth. I'm a loud mouth in both modes. it doesn't change a whole lot. My voice doesn't change. I guess some of my, I've been told some of my mannerisms change a little bit. There's a friend, I go to a bar every Friday for happy hour and there's, it's like my cheers. And one of the girls there that's big, we become good friends. She'll say,

Kelli (31:01.6)
Well

Maddie Taylor (31:20.561)
Hey, Maddie, your dude's coming out because I'm either playing drums on the bar or I'm drinking my drink like a sailor or something. She goes, Maddie, Maddie, your dude's coming out. I'm like, OK, thanks.

Kelli (31:22.697)
Yeah!

Yeah, right. Yeah. I've been there, done that girl. my God.

Maddie Taylor (31:39.609)
Not that dude, just your overall dudes coming out. Let's talk about what we kind of got into your social life. And I know that you go out a lot. How often do you go out per month or per

Kelli (31:43.658)
Right, right. my god.

Kelli (32:02.37)
Well, yeah, I seem like it lately been per week, but typically like every weekend either a Saturday or Friday or Saturday or both and

Maddie Taylor (32:13.851)
How many times per week? I, and two questions. How many times per week do you go out on average? I know it changes. And then has that grown or gotten less as over the years have you gotten older?

Kelli (32:27.578)
Well, I go out around two to three times a week and it has definitely got more consistent, you know, increased number of outings over the time, over time. And, you know, like I said before, I mean, I'm single, single girl. So, I have a lot of.

Maddie Taylor (32:48.039)
So you're not slowing down on the times you dress and go out. It's actually increased. You're not slowing down any on the number of times you're going

Kelli (32:51.893)
With that.

Kelli (32:56.072)
no. And I thought I would be by now, but it seems like the more I get out and meet people and experience people and you know me, I'm a people.

Maddie Taylor (33:05.841)
The more incentive you have, the more incentive you have do you want to go out and be with

Kelli (33:09.171)
Yeah, yeah, you you establish new relationships, new friendships that you nurture and want to foster and you want to grow and you're not going to do that at home and you're not going to do that on the phone.

Maddie Taylor (33:21.373)
Okay, have a question for you because a lot of my friends now know me in both girl mode and boy mode, which is a whole nother level of acceptance and love. When they don't care who's gonna show up, they love all sides of you and they don't judge. But I will say now, sometimes I'm like, well, I could go hang out with my friends and I don't have to get dressed. And that

somewhat of an energy issue. If I could snap my fingers and go out as Maddie, I'd probably do it 99 % of the time. But because I can go on boy mode and feel completely comfortable with most of my friends, Maddie's friends, sometimes I'll just do that and not dress. And then I wished I dressed and I mean, do you ever cross boy and girl?

Kelli (33:59.53)
Right, right.

Kelli (34:11.186)
Okay.

Kelli (34:17.032)
You know, you're so much further ahead on that girl than I am. I know just a couple people that know me both ways. But like I said before, if it's an event that I'm going to be at where I've made girlfriends as Kelli, then I'm going to be Kelli. And I

Maddie Taylor (34:19.847)
Print with your friends.

Kelli (34:45.679)
In my world at least, it would be rather uncomfortable for me to meet them in my boy self. Now I've gone out with a couple of people here actually that know me both, boy mode and girl mode. And there's no difference. I mean, we still have the same relationship. But for me, I prefer Kelli. And it's one of those things where the persona just kind of overshadows

the girl persona overshadowed the boy persona in a respectful manner to me. That's just me.

Maddie Taylor (35:17.276)
Mm -hmm.

Maddie Taylor (35:24.625)
Well, mine kind of happened by surprise and I'm so thankful it happened. But, you know, Lenore, my, my good friend, we, we were friends with this, this community, is mostly straight, but you know, it was mixed, but, and we would, we were always together as Maddie and Lenore, Maddie and Lenore. And they knew us as Maddie and Lenore. And, and we went to a bar one Saturday, a patio, she had her dog with her

Kelli (35:33.51)
course. Of course. Sweetheart.

Kelli (35:45.307)
Yeah.

Maddie Taylor (35:53.693)
We're sitting there having beers and 10 of those people from that community show up. were on a motorcycle ride. They show up for beers and they see Lenore, you know, we're out on the patio. They see Lenore and I'm in boy mode and it didn't take them very long to figure out who I was. And so I was outed to like 10 of those people over, you know, right away. And it actually was, was a, a God sin. was a gift because.

Kelli (36:16.167)
my God, right?

Maddie Taylor (36:23.645)
That broke the ice and I'm like, well, these people don't care. They're still friendly. And so then I started coming out to certain people. If we go to a picnic and I've only seen them in girl mode and then Lenora will introduce me as her friend and we won't tell them at first and then we'll kind of laugh and tell them, well, I see you every week. And they're like, what are you talking about? And Lenora goes, that's Maddie. And they'll just go crazy.

Kelli (36:45.382)
Yeah.

Maddie Taylor (36:51.525)
And the reactions are priceless. should, we, know what, should be videotaping those. cause some of, some of them are classic, but, so, and it made me feel better because after a couple of years, I'm like, most of my good friends, you know, the friends that I do stuff with on a weekly basis are all of Maddie's friends. And what if Maddie goes away? What if I get tired of doing Maddie? What if, you know, my whole, my whole social life is relying on getting dressed.

And that made me nervous. And now I don't have to worry about that. But with that being said, that's kind of how I got outed and it just happened and it was kind of a gift actually.

Kelli (37:21.346)
Mm -hmm. Yeah. Yeah.

Kelli (37:33.989)
That's very cool. Yeah, you know and that would like pure happenstance pure coincidence those guys came in there with people from in there. Yes

Maddie Taylor (37:39.471)
Right. And so many things, how many things have happened to you that you didn't plan and they were like, this is amazing. I'm so glad I stumbled upon this or I did this and it worked out. And you've probably done some things that haven't worked and you've been at, maybe you've gone somewhere and you were embarrassed or you didn't feel comfortable. You're like, I won't do that again. Speaking of that, what's the funniest thing that's ever happened? Give us a funny Kelli story.

Kelli (37:59.573)
Yeah, well, okay. I'll tell you.

Kelli (38:05.785)
Okay, so yeah, two directly opposite stories here. The first one is a good story. The good story is that, you know, wanted to make, moved here back in 21 and I wanted to make more friends. So about a year ago, I learned of this app called Meetup. Okay, so, and one that popped up was called New to Nashville. And so I go in to

Maddie Taylor (38:30.929)
That's Kelli, that's meetup -E -E -T, right? Not -E -A -T. I'm kidding you.

Kelli (38:35.583)
Yeah, -E -E -T -U -P. Get your mind out of the gutter, woman. So, I love it, I love it, I love it. So, I said, you know what, I'm gonna go to one of those and see what happens. So, I go, it's a very nice hotel here in Nashville called The Herriot. Actually, the lounge, the rooftop lounge is called The Herriot. I don't even know what the hotel name is,

Maddie Taylor (38:44.827)
Go ahead.

Kelli (39:03.125)
But go in there and walk in and it was

Maddie Taylor (39:06.619)
Wait, what was the name of the

Kelli (39:08.663)
It was the New to Nashville meetup group. Yeah, yeah, New to Nashville. And so every meetup group has a coordinator. So I kind of memorize the face of the coordinator so I can go up to her eventually after I get there and tell her who I was and blah, blah. So I walk into the bar, there's literally 40 to 50 people in there. I have no clue who anybody is. They're all

Maddie Taylor (39:11.109)
Okay, new to Nashville,

Kelli (39:37.902)
you know, straight people, know, no transgender, nobody, all men and women, full blood men, full blood, you shouldn't say that, but you know what mean. But, so I go up, of course, I couldn't wait to get to the bar to have a drink, right? I said, I need to calm my nerves here a little bit, even after all this time, but so I go in and grab a drink and then I sat over next to the, at the end of the bar and I see Marilyn, Marilyn is the coordinator talking to somebody over.

Maddie Taylor (39:47.397)
All right. Red

Kelli (40:07.189)
Two or three people. So I waited for her to finish and I go over and say, hey, I'm Kelli. Kelli, thank you for coming. I was hoping you'd be here. I'm thinking, my God, this is great, right? So we start chit chatting and then she starts introducing me to all these people around the group. I mean, there was like a couple of doctors and lawyers, accountants, you know, I mean, all these like professional people and every single one of them welcomed me.

with no issues, none whatsoever. I made so many new friends there. It was amazing. I stayed the entire time. I stayed afterwards, of course. And I met a couple of gals there that one was a beautician, the other one was something else, I don't remember. So we stayed there and then we went to someplace else after that. So I get home and I reflect on that. I get home and I reflect on that whole experience and I'm thinking,

Maddie Taylor (40:59.963)
Let me ask you, go

Kelli (41:06.449)
This is amazing in Tennessee. Yeah, I mean, and then, and it was all history from there because Marilyn and I are good personal friends now. And I've go over to her house for dinner and she come to my house for dinner. And had, she had a lot of get togethers and she's a great, fabulous gourmet cook. And so,

Maddie Taylor (41:10.031)
Yes, I was worried about you, to be honest.

Kelli (41:31.86)
We've just shared some stories one to another and just gotten really close. She's really, really cool person. so she, you know, again, she scheduled every meetup that she scheduled, I go to. And so there's about, I would say nine or 10 core people that go to every one of her meetups. And I know those people by first and last name, where they live, what, you know, with their families and all this. And it just like, I'm treated just like a regular woman.

Maddie Taylor (41:50.173)
Mm -hmm.

Kelli (42:00.911)
And I am a regular woman, darn it, right?

Maddie Taylor (42:01.231)
Let me, yeah, exactly. What do you mean like a regular woman? Well, that leads me right into my, to a quick question because we are regular, regular women. do you ever acknowledge the fact that you're actually a guy to when you're out socially? Does it, does anybody ask you questions that you have to avoid or cause I've been

Kelli (42:05.465)
Exactly. I know we're going to strike that

Kelli (42:21.167)
No. No. Nope. Never.

Maddie Taylor (42:31.195)
You know, when I get to know somebody and this is, this is somebody that I've met several times were actually friends from the bar. And so they, you know, they're comfortable and I'm like, you know, they'll say, can I ask you a question or whatever? And I, I'm an open book. You can ask me most anything. If I don't want to answer, I'll tell you. And you know, they'll, they'll ask something about that. And I'm just straight with them. I just tell them, yeah, this.

Kelli (42:42.451)
Yeah

Maddie Taylor (42:57.757)
this will come off. I don't tell everybody. It's just a select few. But I'm like, yeah, this will come off when I go home at midnight or 11. This will come off. And so they know that. And otherwise, I feel like I'm going to be avoiding questions and being, I feel like it facilitates the relationship and makes us even closer. And the ones that do know feel like they kind of know something that the others don't know. That's not why I do it at all.

I think that's kind of silly, I'm just curious if that ever, if you've ever done that, sounds like you do not do

Kelli (43:27.81)
Right, right. Well, actually, I'm resolved to the fact that, you know, many people know

who I am. Okay, but they don't bring it up and I don't bring it up. I don't think it's really important. I had one guy

Maddie Taylor (43:46.429)
Right, assume they know it's not like you're completely 100 % passable. You're 100 % presentable, 110 % presentable in my opinion.

Kelli (43:51.151)
Right, right.

Kelli (43:55.929)
Right. All they got to do is look at my hands and it's over with, right? So I had this one guy, he was kind of snarkered and he asked me an inappropriate question. He goes, do you really have a dick under that dress? And I go, is that important for you to know? And he didn't say a damn thing after that.

Maddie Taylor (44:01.558)
Hahaha!

Maddie Taylor (44:17.905)
That's what a great comeback Kelli. I've only had one bad experience. I've gone out, I don't know, thousand times over the years. I have never ever, ever had a bad experience, a negative experience except for about six months ago. And the guy was with his wife and they were dancing and they came off the dance floor and he went to the bathroom and I was talking to her and

Kelli (44:26.649)
Right?

Maddie Taylor (44:45.041)
She came up to me and said, love your skirt and your shoes, whatever. Of course, we're off to the races, right? You can relate to that. And then he shows up and he's kind of skeptical. I'm assuming she knows I'm a guy, but we didn't say anything. And so we started talking and one thing led to another and he finally said, so do you have a dick? And I didn't know how to answer because I've never been asked a question like that. I've never been confronted.

Kelli (44:50.268)
Right.

Kelli (45:08.105)
Right? Right.

Maddie Taylor (45:14.669)
And I just looked at him. said, as a matter of fact, I do. And he said, cause I think something about, are you a girl? said, yes. And then he said, you have a deck. said, yes. He goes, and then you're a guy. So I said, but not tonight. And it just got me thinking, and for the rest of the community probably should go through that conversation. And I sat down and came up with several things that,

Kelli (45:18.798)
Hehehehehe

Maddie Taylor (45:43.365)
might be asked of me and what I might say. Like what you just did, I really like that. Is that important for you to know? Or have you asked every woman in the bar that same question? Something like that. But I guess my overriding philosophy is I really don't have anything to hide. I guess I'm the kind of person that likes to state the obvious.

Kelli (45:45.59)
Mm -hmm.

Kelli (45:53.751)
Yeah, there you go. That's even better.

Maddie Taylor (46:08.089)
not to the point where you want to make it uncomfortable like you walk in and nobody even asked and you say, hey, I'm a guy dressed as a girl. But if somebody kind of ask in a polite way or if intent is big, right? When somebody misgenders you, I don't know about you, but to me, intent is the most important part because I've had friends misgender me by accident. Hell, I've even misgendered myself when I'm telling a story about something I did.

Kelli (46:14.944)
Right?

Kelli (46:35.981)
You

Maddie Taylor (46:37.161)
I've misgendered myself and but it's all about the intent and if they keep doing it obviously then I might correct them but I don't get I don't get messed up about that if they if they have good intent.

Kelli (46:40.771)
Thank

Kelli (46:48.872)
Yeah, I don't I don't either I mean there's been different time I just let it go why I mean Why why go down that road? He just? What you're seeking potential

Maddie Taylor (46:57.775)
Yeah, but there some people in our community get really they get really sideways about it and and. Well, I can't really tell them how they should feel and how they should react, but. You know, I know when I dress I'm I'm dressing to be like Barbie. I'm dressing to be like the girl next door. I'm dressing to be as as attractive and as pretty as I possibly can and

Kelli (47:19.21)
Yes.

Maddie Taylor (47:27.239)
Because I don't have gender dysphoria. I don't feel like a woman trapped in a man's body. so I know there's people in our community that they don't want to dress like Barbie. don't, they don't want to, they just want to be a girl. they, they are, they feel like a girl. are a girl. They just want to dress like a normal girl. Maybe you don't wear any makeup that day, put your hair in a ponytail and wear a pair of baggy shorts or whatever. And, and I really, I really respect that.
 

Kelli (47:49.321)
Mm -hmm. All right.

Maddie Taylor (47:56.827)
the general public is then inclined to misgender them or, you if they stick, if they stand out, then they're, they're, they're a target and I feel bad for them. and I don't know if that, you know, if that connects with you or not, but, do you have, do you think you have gender dysphoria?

Kelli (48:10.173)
Yes,

Kelli (48:17.269)
Well.

No, I don't. I just...

I just, you know me, I like to blend in. Ha ha ha. I just, I just like

Maddie Taylor (48:30.813)
You don't really blend in my dear you stand out in a very good way

Kelli (48:37.361)
Right, right. And you know, and I know people realize that, but it hasn't hindered me in my girl life whatsoever, except when girls come up to me, girl, where did you get that dress? I've gotta have it. I just have to have it. You know, so I tell them where I got it and all this. no, I don't, don't, I don't believe I suffer from gender dysphoria.

Maddie Taylor (49:01.723)
And that probably is on a spectrum as well, just like everything else. I feel like there's a part of me, sometimes I say, I should have been born a girl. I'm kind of kidding to myself. There's things I'll do that are natural. I like chick flicks. I drink seltzers. I don't like hard liquor. I I don't have any hair on my body.

Kelli (49:04.719)
It is, it is. You're gonna agree.

Maddie Taylor (49:28.453)
I've never broken a bone in my life. I mean, it goes on and on. As you look at these things, like, yeah, maybe I was supposed to be a girl. It just didn't quite come out the right way. I don't, you know, I really don't have that gender dysphoria. I have friends that have true gender dysphoria. They hate their body and it's hard on them emotionally and they get depressed and I feel for them because it's tough.

Kelli (49:36.221)
Yeah.

Kelli (49:52.568)
Yes, me too. Absolutely. But like you said, there's a spectrum, there's a degree range of dysphoria that people have to deal with over time. Right.

Maddie Taylor (49:58.511)
Right. Sometimes I feel like a girl, you know, that little part of me is like, have a proclivity for it, but you know, so again, I think a lot of this stuff is spectrum. Hey, let's talk about where you go out. Do you go to LGBTQ establishments only or do you go to mainstream establishments only or a little of both? And which do you prefer?

Kelli (50:23.015)
I go I Personally myself. I find the mainstream establishments much more fun for some reason Yeah, and that could be Establishments that accept the LL LGBTQ community it couldn't but it doesn't have to be So, you know like I go down on Broadway almost every weekend and that is that's a place where you would never think that

Maddie Taylor (50:31.932)
Me too.

Kelli (50:52.975)
you would find a woman like myself going into the bar like that, and the lounges, the rooftop lounges, and just get togethers with other girls. But like I said before, there hasn't been any issues. I mean, I've gone into these places, and again, the more I go in these places, the more courage and confidence I build. Now,

Maddie Taylor (51:15.813)
Why do you think you enjoy the mainstream ones more than the... And I think you're probably not saying that you don't enjoy the LGBTQ, because I certainly do. And I will say one of the main reasons I go to mainstream establishments more is because most of my weekly friends are non -LGBT, and I don't live in areas where there's LGBT bars. I live in a suburb that's pretty conservative.

Kelli (51:24.977)
Correct.

Kelli (51:44.988)
Okay.

Maddie Taylor (51:45.207)
And so, you know, the local bar, my cheers, it's going to be a regular establishment, non -LGBT. so I'm not saying, I'm not saying you don't like the LGBTQ establishment. You love them, but why do think you like the mainstream a little bit better?

Kelli (51:56.331)
yeah, no, no, no. Yeah.

I think it's because my acceptance over the years and especially since I've been here, have been so profound that it gives me even more confidence to go in these places. And I bring people with me that visit me from out of town and the girlfriend that I've gotten close with over the years here like to go with me, you know, like I said, yeah, yeah.

Maddie Taylor (52:25.085)
And that's where she goes. Do you think you get emotionally more rewarded going to a mainstream establishment and fitting in and having fun? Because part of what we're trying to do is we want to live life as a woman, right? Even if it's for a night. So living life as a woman, and we've spent most of our lives in mainstream establishments, to me that's...

Kelli (52:44.131)
Right, absolutely.

Kelli (52:49.765)
Okay.

Maddie Taylor (52:54.117)
I am the girl next door. I'm, I'm, I'm that girl at the bar that I went to a boy mode a hundred times. And I'm the girl across the bar or whatever. I'm, I'm riffing here. I'm literally, you know, talking, off the top of my head, but I think that's kind of how I feel when I go to LGBTQ. It's less about being seen and more about hanging with my friends. which the mainstream, I, that there's that as well.

I love hanging with my friends, but yeah, but I also want to be seen. I'm not going to lie. It's like when you dress and what out, I want to be seen. I just

Kelli (53:24.409)
Yeah, I get a mix of them. Yeah.

Kelli (53:33.281)
Yes, absolutely. That's exactly right. And we enjoy it. We like to express it. It's all about expression and the love for people and inspiring people and people inspiring me that really keeps me going here. It really does. It's a joy to see people happy. You know, there's not a lot of happiness in

Maddie Taylor (53:34.619)
I think most of us do.

Maddie Taylor (53:55.525)
And will you go to a mainstream establishment out of

Kelli (54:01.513)
absolutely. I've done that. I've done a Knoxville many times. And so I went to a place called the Tiki, the Tiki room right on the river. And of course I knew some people there, of course. And so I walked in and I think I was the only one of them, only one in whole place that had a mini dress and heels. And everybody else had shorts and jeans on and said, I'm thinking, well, here we go.

Maddie Taylor (54:23.453)
That doesn't surprise

Kelli (54:31.86)
You know, have to, at some time you have to laugh at yourself. You know, you have to, I mean, if you take yourself too seriously, you're gonna just be miserable. You just have to laugh at yourself.

Maddie Taylor (54:35.856)
my God, I'm so glad you said

Maddie Taylor (54:43.165)
Absolutely. Everything from the funny things that happen like you're trying to put the pantyhose on or, you know, these tops, the tops, women's tops. Sometimes my girlfriend calls them puzzle tops. It's like trying to put them on with the different straps and your arms through the wrong hole. And I'm like, God, these poor women have to wear this stuff their whole lives. I'm pissed off because

Kelli (54:49.857)
Yeah!

Kelli (54:58.145)
somebody's talk is so complicated

Maddie Taylor (55:10.973)
I can't put it on for one

Kelli (55:13.114)
I know it's just so confusing sometimes but no don't go back to the original question I mean yeah it's just I enjoy these places and they enjoy me and I've got one place in on Broadway called bootleggers in they give me a discount for drinks yeah they say Kelli you get the VIP discount what I say what I do to earn that and they said you know what you're you know yeah

Maddie Taylor (55:30.885)
I love

Maddie Taylor (55:36.701)
Kelli, you don't have to tell us. Remember, I respect privacy. You don't have to tell us what you did to get the discount.

Kelli (55:42.208)
They go, you're just you, Kelli. You tag us every time you're out and you just it's such a joy to be here, you know, with your friends and you get around and talk to people and you're friends with the people, the the gals singing and the banjo players and all this stuff. I said, well, I don't know. I kind of like it.

Maddie Taylor (56:03.729)
Well, I think to summarize that it's practice, practice, practice. It's going out many, many times. I don't think you can build that confidence going out one or two times. You can certainly jumpstart it going to TGR Wildside and jumpstart that confidence. And not everybody has the opportunity to go out that often, it is, the more times you go out, the more confident you get.

Kelli (56:29.492)
Yeah, yeah.

Maddie Taylor (56:34.297)
All right, we better we better move on to some of these questions for Kelli Perry because the girls want to

Kelli (56:34.364)
yeah.

Kelli (56:42.525)
The girls wanna know. boy, here we go. I'm on the spot. The GWK, okay.

Maddie Taylor (56:44.859)
The segment is called Girls Wanna Know.

I'm going to ask the first question. So these are questions that I put out to the community. And I said, if there's a question you want me to ask Kelli Perry, please send them to me. And I'll try to get to as many as I can. And so we're going to ask some questions from the community. I want to ask, what's the funniest thing that has ever happened to Kelli?

Kelli (57:18.578)
The funniest thing One of the funniest things that were helping happen to Kelli, okay, let me see here Mmm, boy, that's a $45 question Funny funny funny, we'll probably have to come back to that one, baby

Maddie Taylor (57:19.229)
for one of the funniest things that have ever happened to Kelli.

Maddie Taylor (57:36.571)
Okay. All right. We already asked again, I'm going to cut some of this out. We already talked about the rumor of it takes you four hours to get ready. Okay. Community questions. Here we go. Girls want to know Melissa Cole gave it. Melissa Cole gave me a question. What's your favorite lingerie? What's your favorite

Kelli (57:37.66)
Yeah, let me think about that

Kelli (57:55.076)
Kelli (58:00.51)
You can't even say it.

Maddie Taylor (58:04.293)
What's your favorite lingerie to wear for your man?

Kelli (58:07.88)
For your man, huh? my god. Well, alright, well my favorite lingerie is of course lace. I've got an infatuation with lace. And that's all I will say.

Maddie Taylor (58:17.315)
Okay. We've identified a kink, ladies and gentlemen.

Kelli (58:22.012)
That's right. I have that gift now. Lacey gift. That's a Lacey.

Maddie Taylor (58:23.771)
The lace, all right. She loves lace. All right, Victoria Goldscale has a question. Why did you start TG Rocktober?

Kelli (58:35.483)
my goodness. this is a great question. Well, it's actually a joint effort between Anna, Nolan, Jeffries and I. Short story, we were at a wild side years ago, if I got to 12, 13 years ago, and we were on the couch sitting, of course, sitting up on the second floor of Piranha. And we were chit chatting there. And she said, you know, Kelli, we ought to come up with something in October, because it seemed like May

May to May, it seems like it's a long period in between to have something like this. It's so successful and everybody loves it. And so we came up with TG Rocktober, the second week in October. Yeah, how do you, well actually, let's see, I can't, I don't remember if she thought about it or me. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Maddie Taylor (59:17.253)
And how did you come up with that name?

Maddie Taylor (59:23.697)
Well, it's transgender. TG is for transgender, right? Transgender, Rocktober. And Rocktober is kind of, you know, that's used a lot. I know the Rockies here in Denver use it, the Colorado Rockies,

Kelli (59:32.891)
Right, right, it is. Well, and also, Oktoberfest, you know, some people call it Rocktoberfest, and I had to correct him. said, it's Rocktober, not Rocktoberfest. So that's all. It started with 12 girls that next year.

Maddie Taylor (59:41.179)
Yep.

Maddie Taylor (59:45.967)
Yeah

Maddie Taylor (59:52.237)
And because you didn't want to wait a full year to get together, you're so much fun. And then Wild Side was so much fun. That's a great idea.

Kelli (59:57.178)
Exactly. Yeah, I want to ramp it up quickly. Yeah, want to ramp it up quickly. we got together again. It doesn't take very much to get 12 people to get 12 girls together for for an event quickly. So May, June, July, four or five months later, we started TG Rocktober. And we've and the Troy has been our go to place every year because they love us there. We get great views from the second floor.

And it's just an all -around good experience there. It's just been a great, great time. And of course, Tuscany is our go -to hotel. That's been our home from day one. And so, it's a great place. And so, we were able to inspire people more and more, started the Facebook page, to get involved and, you know, got trying to get more exposure out there to where it's got

Maddie Taylor (01:00:35.975)
Yeah, I love that place.

Maddie Taylor (01:00:52.423)
Well, now you have to turn people away because you want to cap it to keep it small, which was the genesis of the whole event. And now you have to turn people away because it's so popular.

Kelli (01:00:59.828)
Right? It

Kelli (01:01:06.251)
my God, it's just been amazing, especially this year for some reason. This year just exploded, just absolutely exploded. And what happened is that people see the success of it and they want a part of it. And they see how close knit people are when they get here. They're not knowing, but when they get here, they realize that, hey, everybody's in the same boat with this is this is us. We're having fun. And it's so much fun. So, yeah, that's that's how.

Maddie Taylor (01:01:13.297)
That's awesome.

Maddie Taylor (01:01:34.715)
And I will, I will put some information. I'll put a link in the, in the, posts when I post this podcast and you want to give them the website real

Kelli (01:01:44.543)
it's tgrocktober .net. Pretty simple. That's it. That's it.

Maddie Taylor (01:01:47.613)
TGrocktober .net, check it out. All right, next question from Amber Dubois. I'm really not gonna put you on the spot to answer these, but I do think they're funny questions, of course, from Amber. She's got three questions. One is, how the fuck does Kelli look so good? First question. The second question is, where the fuck does she store 10 ,000 dresses?

Kelli (01:01:58.953)
Record.

Kelli (01:02:10.999)
I saw that. my god. That is so funny.

Maddie Taylor (01:02:13.693)
And the third question is, why haven't you made out with Amber DuBois asking for a friend?

Kelli (01:02:24.011)
Tell her her damn camera gets in the way every time. Every time. my god.

Maddie Taylor (01:02:26.991)
Yeah, yeah, because the camera gets in between. that's hilarious. Samantha, Samantha Hartz wants to know what are your go to heels for long nights

Kelli (01:02:40.141)
girl, I don't wear anything less than four and a half inch heels and for some reason my foot was made for high heels. But when I do go out on long

Maddie Taylor (01:02:50.267)
You do have small feet. What size are your shoes? What size is your foot?

Kelli (01:02:53.419)
They're nines. Nines. Yeah. And so when I do go out for long excursions during the night, I'll try to wear more of a chunky type design heel, but I don't like them because I like the more the leto type design. It just seems, you know, I know you're sacrificing comfort for for stability or whatever, but it

Maddie Taylor (01:02:56.221)
That's perfect.

Kelli (01:03:20.465)
I'm just like I said, I'm just so used to walking in them. It's just taken nature. I walk, I put them on during, you know, when I'm here alone, alone too. So, you know, yeah, of course, of course. Yeah. It just, you know, you have to mold your foot. my

Maddie Taylor (01:03:28.815)
You do. That's commitment. That's commitment. See, you just went up on a higher pedestal again, Kelli. You just keep climbing. I can't keep up. I cannot, I am not worthy. All right, Robin Martin. Robin Martin has a question. Can address be, can address be too

Kelli (01:03:47.186)
Robin Ward.

Kelli (01:03:51.13)
No. Yeah, yeah. Annie Smith calls my dress with top. Yeah, Annie Smith accuses me of wearing top all the time. Absolutely. And she'll see somebody else in a mini dress and she'll, you go to the same top store as Kelli. That's awesome. That's very cool. That's very cool.

Maddie Taylor (01:03:53.105)
Well, then it becomes a top. And I think you've been accused of wearing tops, sequined tops, but they're really dresses.

Maddie Taylor (01:04:10.429)
Yeah, yeah. She also has a question, can you remove glitter with a vacuum cleaner? That sounds like an inside joke to

Kelli (01:04:17.716)
It is and quick story on that one, okay she and I went on she went and went on a cruise last year in February and and of course I brought my glitter and my my sequin dress and work at night, you know every every week or every night and So there's one time I wore this glitter that I mean this dress that just literally shed glitter, right sheds it so we went

to the bar and we sat down in the stool and we had a couple drinks and then we started to go to the show and she said, Kelli, look at this. And so I looked back and there was glitter all over the seat, right? I mean, literally covered. And every day, that was like the second night, every night I go back to that same stool and there's glitter on it. So they never cleaned it. I get the feeling, she's gonna come back again tonight while I'm cleaning. That's right.

Maddie Taylor (01:05:11.943)
They probably said the bitch is gonna come back and dirty, get more glitter on her anyway. Let's wait until she gets off the damn

Kelli (01:05:18.93)
They probably had to steam clean it right Yeah, so But that was it that would that would it wasn't the most funniest moment, but it was a funny moment It was a funny moment

Maddie Taylor (01:05:21.947)
That is hilarious.

Maddie Taylor (01:05:32.401)
That's awesome. Thanks for sharing. Jennifer Gonzalez wants to know, does your identification show you as Kelli?

Kelli (01:05:42.507)
No, it did not.

Maddie Taylor (01:05:44.335)
Okay. Do you, and you do play, do you, is that one of your goals to get that changed?

Kelli (01:05:49.983)
Yeah, absolutely it is it is it's not a priority but it seems it just seems hasn't seemed to hinder me so far I mean I feel like my guy ID all the time on Broadway. Yeah. Okay going in right? mean it never I Do yes, I do it's a copy of my boy credit card, they put my name on it But yeah quick story about the ID

Maddie Taylor (01:05:57.725)
Okay.

Maddie Taylor (01:06:01.967)
Yep. Does Kelli have her own credit card?

Maddie Taylor (01:06:10.065)
Yep, that's what Maddie has.

Kelli (01:06:14.654)
Kid Rock, I went to Kid Rock one time, it about six months ago. And it was really busy, it was a long line, so everybody was showing their ID and stuff. So I showed mine, he goes, okay, go on. And then about two seconds later, said, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, come back here. And I showed my ID again, and he looked at me, and I go, that's me. He goes, okay, you can go on. So that was another funny story. Yeah.

Maddie Taylor (01:06:35.229)
Just needed to check. Boy, you went to a Kid Rock concert. Okay, well, that's a good one to know. Okay, here I'm gonna interject the two truths and a lie. All right, so we're gonna play two truths and a lie. So Kelli's gonna tell us two things about her that are true, and she's gonna tell us one thing about her that is a lie. And I wanted to remind you

Kelli (01:07:01.008)
Aww, that's so sweet.

Maddie Taylor (01:07:04.103)
First person that emails me the lie at maddysometimesatgmail .com will win a wonderful prize to be announced later. So Kelli, give us three things about you. Two of them are true, one of them is a lie.

Kelli (01:07:22.568)
Three things about me, two of them are true and one of them is a lie. Okay, so let me break this up a little bit. Okay, here's one. My very first girl name was Jennifer

Kelli (01:07:44.752)
true or false. My second name, the name that Facebook demanded ID for, Kelli Thinchwell.

Maddie Taylor (01:07:44.861)
Okay. Okay.

Maddie Taylor (01:08:02.919)
Okay.

 

Kelli (01:08:04.096)
Okay. And the third question, the third statement would be, let me search my data banks here. Let's see here.

Maddie Taylor (01:08:20.731)
And when you say it, repeat the, and my third statement is, just repeat that, because I'll edit this

Kelli (01:08:25.801)
Yeah, then my third, yeah. Yeah, okay. okay. Okay. Good. Good. And my third statement would be, I.
 

 

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